This is the first example in this story of someone seeing something bad coming but not being able to stop it. MORRISON: The girl was Heather, also an aspiring doctor. Also foreshadowing is how long it takes Andrews parents, Kate and David, to wade through various levels of bureaucracy to confirm his death. Dear Zachary - For those who've asked how Kate & David - Facebook This marks the first time in history an MP from Newfoundland has been able to get a private member's bill through Parliament; since 2001, 2,510 Private Member's Bills have been introduced in the House of Commons, but only 23 - less than 1% - have received Royal Assent. MORRISON: In Kurt Kuenne's documentary, Clark Simpson, one of Andrew's close friends at the hospital, remembers that November morning just two weeks later when Shirley surprised Andrew again. SCREAMS. Dear Zachary has been acquired for theatrical release and DVD distribution by the newly formed Oscilloscope Pictures, and will be released in New York on October 31st, and in Los Angeles and Chicago on November 7th. The pair planned to take care of the minutiae of dealing with a lost loved one, fly back to California and kill themselves. Former Production Manager at Mountain Gospel Radio. There are things to do, he said, and they try to enjoy life as much as possible. With that powerful, evidence, Shirley Turner was formally charged with Andrew's murder and, arrested by Newfoundland police. In the end, she died, but love did not. -, "This documentary will rip out your heart and leave you in the snow without a sweater. MP Andrews was spurred on to the creation of this bill after seeing "Dear Zachary" at a March screening in Ottawa to which all Members of Parliament were invited. substance to it. Was it a tight bond? KATE: And she went over in the corner crying, and I gave him back. Our 100 journalists strive to inform and improve our East Coast communities by delivering impartial, high-impact, local journalism that provokes thought and action. Bagby Scholarship | Excela Health Kate went to the floor, and I kicked the door and--oh, we, just--just like with Andrew, there's nothing you can do. And that was midafternoon. CONTRIBUTED BY DAVID AND KATE BAGBY Sixteen years have passed but for the Bagbys the story of the deaths of their only son and grandson resurfaces all the time. put Zachary on her lap to open presents, and he resists. I'm just curious Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Yeah, and I wanted to know for safety. I thought if I do that, I go to prison, maybe Kate. For an optimal experience visit our site on another browser. don't have these meltdowns and emotional scenes. HEATHER: I knew he'd been struggling with me moving on and dating other people. a--with a hand grenade in the kitchen with the pin already pulled. December 15, 2009: The next, hearing in the extradition process was set for September, at which time they. I said, `When do you think you'll be done?' Blu-ray | DVD, 10th Anniversary Edition: The only thing about his life that didn't make sense to some friends and family was his relationship with that doctor from Newfoundland, the one he'd started dating when going to medical school there. They quit their jobs and moved from California to Newfoundland. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Well, I have that for protection. David R. Bagby Born: July 2, 1957 in Joliet, IL Died: January 5, 2022 in Statesville, NC David R. Bagby, 64 of Statesville, NC and formerly of Streator passed away Wednesday (January 5,. But something kept me going, and. The bond between, Zachary and his grandparents grew and grew, and Shirley noticed, even from, KATE: (Audio recording) I think it was one time we were on the phone or, KATE: (Audio recording) Yeah, the baby cried, and I said, `Oh, there's my, Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Yeah, `Oh, my baby. Its hard to imagine a well-crafted rendition being as powerful.). I, Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) Look, we will do what is best for Zachary. At one point, one friend says that if he had one tenth of the people who cared about him half as much as they do about Bagby, he would be happy. Kind of panic sets in, I guess, and that's when it all hit the fan, I guess. I promise within the first five minutes you will be captured by it and you won't be able to tear yourself away. GARDNER: (Audio recording) I have to tell you that Andrew is dead. Kate Bagby - Mothers Against Murder *Verified* | ZoomInfo There was no way to stop Andrews murder, but there was no way to walk away from Zacharys body and just say hmm, okay, move on," said David. MORRISON: Was she taunting them, they wondered? MORRISON: Even more, the Bagbys' gloom was mixed with worry. Happy Birthday Dr. Andrew Bagby. You should be 49 today. You should be Andrew was found dead Nov. 5, 2001 in a state park just outside Latrobe, PA, where he was a resident in the local hospitals family medicine programme. First their son was murdered in Pennsylvania, then their grandson in Kurt Kuennes 2008 documentary, Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father, deserves a second look, especially in light of the recent popularity of true-crime programs like Serial and Making a Murderer., Photograph courtesy Oscilloscope Pictures / Everett. It was all incorrect from the beginning, that all this, innocence and everything she's told you was a lie. MORRISON: Despite it all, the Bagbys were thrilled to be living, with Zachary. They're like, `What do you mean?' Did. Bad things tend not to announce themselves, they just kind of land right on your head. It would be kind of upsetting, I guess, to let your son spend time. How do you represent the fact that when you see a crime coming from a mile away you still cant do anything to stop it? At least he might have asleep when she went in. He couldve introduced his friends death any way he wanted, and he went with this, with a kid who can barely pronounce the word killed asking why one of daddys friends has ended up that way. The amount of the award will be variable, but is expected to be in the range of $1,000. The film ends with the Bagbys and their relatives, friends, and colleagues reflecting on the father and son, as well as the . Specific in nature? For the Bagbys, shock might have, (Photo of David and Zachary; photo of Kate and Zachary; Shirley being escorted, from court; court documents; court exterior; court documents; Kate and David), KATE: I'd sat in the back of the room while Judge Green said to her, `I'm so, sorry, Dr. Turner, your life is on hold, and I know the law is slow.' She always spent time with him, and seemed to me like she was, MORRISON: Still grieving over the loss of their only son, David, and Kate Bagby had forsaken their lives in California and moved to, Newfoundland, not just to make sure justice was being served, but also to be, (Kate; David; Newfoundland; Supreme Court building; photo of Zachary), KATHERINE: There's this wonderful feeling, `I'm going to see part of Andrew. American authorities asked Canadian, authorities to send her back to the US, which would require an extradition, hearing. So we called, and he came over and told us that Zachary and Shirley were. Read the DocuWeek Q&A with writer/director/composer Kurt Kuenne HERE. The psychotic bitch.) The bullets in Bagbys body were of the same type that Turner had used at a shooting range shortly before, in a gun she had recently purchased. But two months later, that would change, after Shirley appealed, again to be released on bail. All rights reserved. One of those forgettable pieces of solipsistic pseudo-art that is essentially just a scrapbook that was released to the public and then everyone just said it was good because no one wanted to hurt anyones feelings. The Bagbys could scarcely believe. GARDNER: (Audio recording) I'm interested in the gun. (Shirley and Zachary at birthday party; birthday party), KATE: He didn't want to open presents, you know, he wanted to get, down. Well never understand how anybody can ignore the fact that murderers are dangerous, he said. MORRISON: After you found out about Andrew's death, the impulse just ended. Then the questioner got choked up.the best thing I've seen in Austin (at SXSW)." He's a little bleary eyed, but. ', Because I know you would be worried if we disappeared for a couple of days or, MORRISON: Was she planning something? Play trailer 2:39. Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) (Unintelligible). The 10th Anniversary Blu-Ray and DVD are also available from other retailers listed below, and the digital edition is now available for purchase or rent on iTunes, Amazon Prime Video, and Google Play. Blu-Ray | DVD, BLU-RAY He said, `The psychotic bitch. It's said there's nothing worse than the death of your child, and this film drives that point home harder and with the utmost care and precision." The good life started in earnest when Kate first laid eyes on Petty Officer David Bagby, who was serving on the USS Hornet, docked in Long Beach in 1967. Unidentified Woman #11: I love them very much. The apparent culprit was a woman named Shirley Turner, whom Bagby had dated but had broken up with on November 4th, in Latrobe, just before putting her on a plane to Council Bluffs, Iowa, where she lived at the time. Unidentified Man #20: The weather here is terrible. (Youll never guess who showed up on my doorstep, one of Bagbys friends recalls him saying. This film wasn't made to win awards, or, for that matter, even be criticized. It was like Andrew died and then was reborn for a second chance. Not too long ago? -, "When this haunting, shattering film made its premiere at Park City's Slamdance Film Festival, it received the most sustained ovation of any film I saw this year in Park City. (A huge thanks to the folks at Different by Design in Los Angeles, CA and Anarchy Post in Glendale, CA for making this possible and affordable.). Except this story is worse. Now, she sucked us in here, too. Only Kate and David, MORRISON: Perhaps the most irksome part of the deal with Shirley. Kathryn Schulz, reviewing Making a Murderer recently inThe New Yorker, described howtrue-crime projects can allow for bias to masquerade as objectivity and for people (particularly victims and their families) to be reduced to plot points. And she followed Andrew to St. John's. This abridged version was prepared personally by Kurt Kuenne in order to comply with CBC Newsworld's time constraints but preserve the film's impact while reaching a wider audience in Canada. Also, today MP Scott Andrews of Newfoundland introduced a bill in Parliament for its first reading that proposes a modification to Canada's bail code that would justify detention in custody for a suspect who is a potential danger to their own minor children. We don't--we don't gush very much. I, was like, `Hi, buddy.' -, "Some of the week's biggest flicks aren't at Sundancefilmmakers have praised Slamdance film. This is a huge step forward in the mission Dear Zachary was created to accomplish. I would really like for you and Kate. February 24, 2009: Bill C-464 was introduced in the House of Commons on October 22, 2009, passed the House of Commons unanimously on March 22nd of this year and passed the Senate of Canada last Thursday, December 9th, where it was sponsored by Senator Tommy Banks of Alberta. Turner killed herself and Zachary before she could be tried for murder. Senior Writer and Project Manager. And one, of the first to see her there was T.J. Shears, the eldest of Shirley's three. Sixteen years have passed but for the Bagbysthe story of the deaths of their only son and grandson resurfaces all the time. HEATHER: You are the most amazing, strongest people I've ever. Mr. BAGBY: The baby would be half Andrew, and that, for us, was sweet. Dear Zachary is as devastating as it is because it unravels the way bad things unravel in real life. MORRISON: Police got Shirley Turner on the phone back in Iowa. They are warm. Family and friends go to extraordinary lengths to honor a legacy of a young man whose trust led to tragedy. Its a muddled structure, and the film makes frequent aesthetic missteps as well, with frenetic editing, canned music, and heavy-handed imagery. Information on who and where to write can be found by going to the "Support Bail Reform" page. By signing up, you agree to our User Agreement and Privacy Policy & Cookie Statement. Mr. SIMPSON: You don't need to go out with a woman because you can't think you can do better. her. They told us that they'd found the body. How the fuck do you live like that? You can, just--there's nothing. Its heartbreaking, said Kate, who recalls last seeing Zachary the evening before he was killed. Mr. BAGBY: He's now engaged to this lovely girl, and he's going to go to med school. I couldn't see the point anymore. CORNER BROOK, N.L. Slamdance Film Festival book signing! We urge you to write your MP (if you're Canadian) or the Attorney General of Canada (if you're not) in support of MP Andrews' bill; the next few months are a crucial time. And if they don't charge her, they had no way to restrict her travel. As religious as that may sound, that is a comfort. `You gave me a lovely son, and now it's over.'. MORRISON: The rage was tempered with a yearning to know just why Andrew had been assassinated. MORRISON: Was it reasonable for the court to trust her? Then, in August 2003, Shirley killed herself and the one-year-old Zachary by jumping into the Atlantic Ocean. Welcome back toCold Comforts, a recurring column in which Soraya Roberts writes about the grim, harrowing, and downright bizarre movies and television shows that she nevertheless cant stop watching, over and over again. They were somewhat successful with the passing of Bill C-464 in December 2010 with the added clause that bail could be denied if it was deemed necessary for the protection of anyone under the age of 18. Cpl. This movie is the kind of nightmare no one could dream up. Amazon | Barnes & Noble | Walmart, DIGITAL Plus: each Wednesday, exclusively for subscribers, the best books of the week. MORRISON: Two weeks after Andrew's murder, cell phone records, would show that Shirley Turner drove all the way from Iowa to Andrew's, neighborhood in Pennsylvania, arrived there the day of the murder, and then, she, or at least her cell phone, returned to Iowa. HOUSE OF COMMONS UNANIMOUSLY PASSES BILL C-464. Sharing voices. They are the opposite of Shirley Jane Turner. You know? David and Kate Bagby channeled their grief & anguish into changing some Canadian laws. They might as well have sent a taxi to her to help take him out and drown him. They held their breath. It will have its television premiere on MSNBC this fall following a theatrical release that is currently in negotiations and expected to be announced in the coming weeks. He was in, Mr. SHEARS: I would cook supper sometimes when she wasn't around. Corporal GARDNER: (Audio recording) Yeah, Dr. Turner, I'm Corporal Gardner with the Pennsylvania State Police. Lori Kaufman rw. kate bagby and david bagby 2020 - sercano.com You live your life, you create an entire universe around you, you trundle along, and then FUCK. They are selfless. An unusually personal and powerful story of a murder, it may offer something of a counterweight to the forces of bias and prurience that often pull the genre off-track. Mr. SHEARS: Mm, yeah. Zachary, how's our baby today? anything like that, would we take care of Zachary? iTunes | Amazon Prime Video | Google Play, DEAR ZACHARY ORIGINAL MOTION PICTURE SCORE ALBUM NOW AVAILABLE. MORRISON: And then, in the spring of 1995, Andrew found someone, a Newfoundlander, also a doctor in training, a woman named Shirley Turner. (Photo of Shirley, Kate and Zachary; photo of Shirley, David and Zachary; Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Well, I just want your word that I'm going to, know where he's at, like any babysitter, you know, if you're going to take him, anywhere, just say, `Shirley, we're going to run out and do this. Still grieving the death of their son, the Bagbys moved to Newfoundland and fought for custody of Zachary. This documentary starts out like a love letter. Dear Zachary was also a hit at Silverdocs, the AFI/Discovery Channel Documentary Film Festival over the weekend of June 21st & 22nd, where both screenings were once again met with standing ovations; Silverdocs nominated Dear Zachary for its inaugural Writers Guild of America Documentary Screenplay Award. And I said, `Who?' Thought that maybe he had found somebody that he could really be happy with. After the pregnancy came to light, the film became a way to introduce Zachary to his father. He was such a good baby. What a flaky person. In that time, it becomes clear that, thankfully, baby Zachary has his fathers penchant for emotional maturity and gravitates not towards his mother, but to his grandmother. Wait, thats not true, Sophocles came up with it when he wrote Oedipus Rex about a king who unwittingly fulfills a prophecy that foretold he would kill his father and marry his mother, and then pokes out his own eyes because hes in despair and you cant outrun destiny. It turns out Shirley Jane Turner is pregnant. Nearly 2 decades after the murder of a physician and his son a legacy PDF Bail bill inspired by Bagby's murdered grandson Now that Zachary was starting to walk, he was free to make a beeline to. 7:30 I'll be at your house.'. MORRISON: Because Zachary liked you best? This is not the worst instance in this story of someone seeing something bad coming but not being able to stop it. because it's hard to get off Newfoundland. Mr. BAGBY: We were out shopping or something. Just from that, conversation, you could kind of get the sense that she didn't want Zachary, MORRISON: And for the Bagbys, Shirley issued what sounded somehow. And then, November 2001, Andrew Bagby was shot dead in a state park not far from the hospital in which the young doctor was a resident, and his devoted parents all but lost the will to live. KATE: I thought, `Well, he's got to get out of this.'. ), DEAR ZACHARY 10TH ANNIVERSARY HD REMASTERED EDITIONNOW AVAILABLE ON BLU-RAY, DVD, and DIGITAL, For the film's 10th anniversary, Kurt Kuenne remastered "Dear Zachary", its epilogue, and its bonus features for HD, converting the original standard definition elements to HD shot-by-shot, while remixing the film in 5.1 surround, so that it now looks and sounds as originally intended on today's platforms. She. April 14, 2009: (Trailer park; parking lot; water; Kurt on boat; excerpts from "Dear Zachary"; houses seen through rainy window; Kate and Zachary). June 25, 2008: | Learn more about Tessa Bagby's work experience, education . Imagine it. Yeah, I mean, I can watch that for sure. It left me looking for the impossibility of marking the film above the highest grade available on the festival's voting ballot. Mommy loves you. Inspired by his mother's tales of interesting medical cases and wonderful patients, Andrew decided he would be a doctor. They are selfless. MORRISON: It was November 2001 when Dr. Andrew Bagby, 28 years old, was found in hospital scrubs lying facedown in the state park in Derry Township, Pennsylvania. quiet. June 2, 2015 - June 2020. granddad? MORRISON: She kept trying to get between you and the baby. It's great. I mean, the best man is really the groom. ', KATE: He's so loved. He said, `What do you mean?' The material on this site may not be reproduced, distributed, transmitted, cached or otherwise used, except with the prior written permission of Cond Nast. There is a dark pull in watching the Bagby case travel to unanticipated depths, but there are no thrills. And as tragic as this story is, that is also where its consolation lies: that Shirley Jane Turner destroyed everything around her in an attempt to extinguish the love she was incapable of experiencing herself, and in the end she couldnt. Watching the documentary brings up a mix of feelings from joy to hatred. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Or what about the one of me and Andrew? In the course of the next two yearsas Turners extradition process dragged on, as Bagbys parents moved from California to Newfoundland to fight for custody of the baby, and as the case eventually took an even more terrible turnthe film came to be about those events as well. The private member's bill was introduced by MP Scott Andrews of Newfoundland last fall after he saw "Dear Zachary" at a March 2009 screening in Ottawa and decided to do something about what he saw. He said, `What can happen?'. IMDbPro Starmeter. How do you represent anguish of that magnitude without turning it into a Greek tragedy? Click HERE for assistance. David Bagby - Facebook And I know, you love me, and--yeah. And I don't know, I just lay on top of her and we, MORRISON: T.J. opened the door to police, too, and heard the. (David speaking to reporters; Kate speaking to reporters; David on radio show; "Dear Zachary" poster; Kurt editing video; photo of Andrew; photo of Zachary; Mr. KUENNE: I almost gave up making this film when you were, killed. Ensure local journalism stays in your community by purchasing a membership today. January 15, 2008: We would've done handstands and cartwheels to. Shirley Turner had walked out to the end, of a pier with tiny Zachary strapped to her body with a sweater, then jumped, into the ocean. Schultz quotes the brother of Hae Min Lee, the victim of the murder at the center of the first season of Serial, responding, on Reddit, to the surge of interest in the case: I wont be answering any questions because . The Bagbys went to the morgue to identify their bodies. David Bagby - Risk Manager - McKinsey & Company | LinkedIn His father says, I kissed him and held him. And this is where director Kurt Kuenne is really smart. He seems to be talking about the unfathomable grief Shirley Jane Turner left behind. Mr. BAGBY: What are you going to say that will MORRISON: And find something she did, going so far as telling, them that they had some anger issues which needed to be addressed by a, (Photo of Shirley; photo of Kate and David), Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) There has been, I guess, a lot of, uncomfortable feeling on both our parts. But they also contribute to the feeling of watching something urgent and unmediated. See details above! Why don't you just take him?'. Why? Understood? GARDNER: (Audio recording) Is this Dr. Turner? But that didn't erase their unease, or a remarkable feeling, (Shirley and Zachary at birthday party; David), Mr. BAGBY: I considered killing her myself, seriously considered it. Dear Zachary was named one of the top 5 documentaries of 2008 by the National Board of Review! A Kate Bagby is an Advisory Member at Mothers Against Murder based in Los Altos, California. Zachary's life, even talking to her eldest son and his girlfriend about it. She landed a residency at a hospital in Iowa, several states away but still close enough to allow occasional weekends with Andrew in Pennsylvania. Mr. KUENNE: He warmed up to me as the--as the week wore on, MORRISON: But the Bagbys were especially anxious. He was the whole world to them. Kate said Shirley insisted on keeping Zachary in, the deep pool, which frustrated him because he couldn't move on his own. Please consider joining us in this mission by becoming a member of the SaltWire Network and helping to make our communities better. MORRISON: But was that what you assumed had happened? I was like, `Oh, OK, yeah.' -, "urgent, furiousadmirably well editedthis incredible, well-researched documentary demonstrates the vast gulf one life can leave behind." Djing. The victims choices, preferences, actions, and relationships are either boiled down to a heap of clues and red herrings, or offered as a backdrop in a spirit of dutiful empathy before getting down to the business at hand. We. Mr. SIMPSON: I said, `Do not meet her in private.' How else do you represent almost virtually the same crime happening back to back despite the hindsight in between? The Bagbys were compelled to ensure what happened to their son and grandson never happens again. Kate and David Bagby traveled to Ottawa last week to speak as witnesses for the bill before the House's Standing Committee on Justice & Human Rights. hoped Shirley Turner would be returned to the US to face a murder trial. I didn't have. They also have Andrews friends, like Kuenne, who remain in their current lives and with whom they can talk about Andrew. Kate Bagby feels her son was too trusting to agree to meet Turner at the park the day he was killed. (Newspaper rack; photo of Shirley and Zachary), Mr. BAGBY: (Press conference) I am going to continue to scream long and loud, MORRISON: The Bagbys have continued a campaign for the overhaul, of the bail system. KATE: I sat there and bit my lip and cried. MORRISON: How did you find out what happened, how he had been killed? You know what, when Andrew didn't show up at 7:30, I knew something was very wrong. Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss - Goodreads Are you having a good day with grandmom and. One for such a wonderful young man that you raised. The 14 Most Upsetting Parts Of Dear Zachary That Broke Your Heart - Ranker I got to put on the record the fact that I would like a much stronger bill, said David. Mr. BAGBY: By this time we're pretty damn sure she's complete. On Nov. 5, Kate, who is originally from England, pictures Turner sitting on top of a Guy Fawkes bonfire and her family all around it with fireworks. Believing that even where there is evil, there is also a tremendous amount of good." I'm absolutely sure. Right, right. Andrew assured his filmmaker friend Kurt that the 40-year-old was a passing fancy. On Aug. 18, 2003, while awaiting extradition to the U.S. on a charge of murdering Andrew, Turner jumped into the waters of Conception Bay South with her 13-month-old son strapped to her in a murder-suicide. Click HERE for ticket information. Mr. SHEARS: You could see in his eyes that he was full of life. An abridged version of "Dear Zachary" will premiere on CBC Newsworld in Canada on Sunday, October 25th at 10 PM ET/PT.
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