Care to elaborate, provide examples? )(yikes), because I never want to put that church building and hierarchy that rules it above Christ. God divorced Israel but Not judah..Jesus is the Lion of the tribe of WHAT?? God values his word, even above his own name, and when you or I meet God, what we think means nothing to God, unless it lines up with His Word. 10 And dont let anyone call you Teacher, for you have only one teacher, the Messiah. Our path is narrow, must we fight amongst each other while we walk it? 29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: 30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. If your not getting a lot out of your bible read I would recommend a switch to Kjv and to define any word you dont know Slow down reading and meditate on what your reading dont read as a duty each day but as a searching for fellowship each day. Gods people are the Jews.. from Jew-dajudah. I have no belief, opinion, or position of this Your happy mega churches do too. If your not getting a lot out of your bible read I would recommend a switch to Kjv and to define any word you dont know Slow down reading and meditate on what your reading , The KJV isnt the inspired word of God. I had my part. Yes, believers disagree, theres nothing wrong with that. Should we stay living together with our baby in fornication? Copyright 2002-2023 Got Questions Ministries. Do you know what Jesus told the Pharisees? I mean yeah, theres some truth to a lot of this. A strong percentage of our funding comes through several hundred local churches who support 29 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. If you believe that all Catholics are going to hell, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 35. I can count on one hand the number of IFBs whove asked for a discussion instead of attacking me. 12 But those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted. I would have rejected the advice if in my heart If didnt want the relationship anymore, but we had a kid and I needed it to work. Is there any perfect , no. I dont have a boarden to preform any religious works. You ALWAYS have your KJV Bible with you at church, and turn to numerous verses each sermon. 45. Do I believe he punishes no, because Ive gone without tithing and had no awareness of punishment, but when I do tithe I find blessing of increase in physical and spiritual goods. Maybe one day I can reach your level of acceptance and spirituality. I was told that I could not work in one of my passionate ministries, infant, toddler, and 3-4 year olds because of something I did in my past 14 years ago and pastor told me I have to prove myself first. If you have others please feel free to share in the comments section, 1. We affirm without apology the doctrines frequently identified as the Fundamentals of the Faith, which include the deity, virgin birth, sinless life, substitutionary death, bodily resurrection, and imminent return of Jesus Christ. Im pretty sure it WAS/IS alcohol because the bible talks alot about not getting drunk with wine.also take a little wine, etc. Plus they believe that one cannot lose his salvation, Eternal Security, or Once Saved, Always Saved on the Calvinist view. Matthew 6:14-15 I wonder sometimes if the pastor didnt hit one of your sins and instead of getting you under conviction, you just got angry. I dont know your past, but I know mine and it aint righteous. Besides I dont understand why you shouldnt listen to Contemporary Christian music. Jack Hyles came to our church and you would have thought Jesus himself was preaching! 33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband. Rather than attack one another, perhaps understand where both are coming from? More than one earring per ear for women is worldly I dont agree that multiple earrings per ear for women is worldly as long its not fancy. People that are lost cant do what God has commanded because of unbelief. ), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 41. And yet, they honor the Scofield Bible!!! All people need to do is humbly ask for one. The reality is the ONLY TRUE CHURCH is the church that PRACTICES BIBLICAL TEACHINGS and NOT THAT OF MAN-MADE TEACHINGS because THEY ARE AGAINST THE BIBLE because I do ask the question that why there are so many churches. I thought youd like that. They are shared in my article about tithing: https://baptistdeception.com/tithing/. We should not tell who are the good and bad Christians because we should treat everyone with love just like God loves every one of us. He granted his permission to work in the Infant Ministry and Toddler, and 3-4 year old Ministry. Ive used tattoos but not permanent ones. (Matthew 28:19-20; Romans 6:4; 1 Corinthians 11:23-32), Every individual, believer and unbeliever, possesses the God-given privilege of free will having the liberty to choose what to believe. If you believe that using guitars in church is too liberal, yet you listen to patch the pirate who uses guitars, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 14. The end of November we were going to break up because of physical abuse so instead sought counseling for our pastor and his wife. Independent Fundamental Baptist is NOT a denomination because they are Independent I am not Baptist but they are CLOSE to being a denomination because of their beliefs. Baptism of believers by immersion in water symbolizes sincere faith in Christ's death, burial, and resurrection with the desire to walk in newness of life. Also God commands us to try the spirits to see if they are of God that implies God gave us the power of discernment 1 John 4: 1-5. If you believe women shouldnt wear pants, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 12. There are a lot of IFB pastors out there like that, the majority of the ones I sat under were like that, they just want to see you do better. The tradition of men, human opinion, false science, religious creeds, nor popular opinion override the plain teaching of God's Word. as a former IFB, I read this.mmmmmm, mixing truth with deceptionI wonder the author uses, the same tactics as the serpent in the garden??? If you believe going to the movies is a sin but not renting movies or watching them on TV, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 10. Refusing to eat at a restaurant because they serve alcohol Theres nothing wrong with eating at a restaurant you just cant order alcohol, thats all. Webindependent Baptist, to place in the hands of members of independent Baptist churches to help them to know the meaning of church membership and to better understand the doctrines and polity of Baptists, and particularly the reasons why we are independent Baptists and not affiliated with one of the various and sundry organizations among I sought counciling to see if there was anything in the Bible that could give Hope to our relationship. 11. We also teach that one must hear the Word of God, one must believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God, one must repent of your sins, one must confess that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God, one must be baptized for the remissions of sins, and one must live faithful until death. [7], The New IFB currently lists 30 affiliated congregations on their website. 50. We dont mind being scrutinized or even judged. I cant stand when preachers pound the pulpits because its distracting and irritating for me though I am not against preachers yelling as long as they dont yell too loud. If the people in your church are truly humble, forgive easily, and believe that everyone is worthy of grace, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. (Genesis 2:24; Genesis 19:5, 13; Genesis 26:8-9; Leviticus 18:1-30; Romans 1:26-29; 1 Corinthians 5:1, 6:9; 1 Thessalonians 4:1-8; Hebrews 13:4). If you are careful to not show any emotion while singing for fear that you could be considered dancing, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 33. If you feel guilty for not having devotions 7 days a week, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 42. The IFB are Pharisees of our day. The thing is, its so insidious, you dont really realize its happening until youre firmly entrenched. All youve done in your last paragraph is parrot typical IFB talking points no substance there, just regurgitation. They were so grieved by the fact that they had broken a 30+ year record of being at church three times a week. Deacons help the pastor care for the flock so he can give priority to prayer and the ministry of the Word. If you think that you should cut your vacation short so that you can make it back in time for Sunday morning Sunday School, but think its OK that your pastor miss a Sunday or two because hes on vacation, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 5. Scofield came to know Christ AFTER all of that, so I dont hold that against him. 35. As of 2019, the New IFB listed 32 affiliated co He says he isnt saved but is open minded and is at least asking questions. You feel forced to go door to door preaching No general opinion on this since door to door preaching within the IFB is very similar to that of the Jehovahs Witnesses though we should share the gospel to others, especially to those who dont have Christ in their lives. People need Jesuswhats the big deal? We need no other human agent or spiritual mediator. They are already spelled out in the Bible. If you think that any rational thought is dangerous because it may lead you to believe something different than what the IFB believes, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 50. Whether u believe its talking about judah/Ephraim or not. If you believe that the IFB isnt a denomination because they are Independent, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 37. You obviously didnt read the entire list see number 47. That being said, your list is probably only funny to those of us who have lived it. They will trample the pearls, then turn and attack you. Lastly, I cant really respond to the think that theres something spiritual about tolerating abuse because I have no idea where thats coming from in my initial post. If you read any other bible besides the Kjv bible you not sining. From my perspective turning people away from the IFB is turning them towards God. 39. [4][5], A split in the New IFB occurred in January 2019, after Donnie Romero, pastor at Stedfast Baptist Church-Fort Worth (SBC), resigned after it was revealed he had hired prostitutes, smoked marijuana and gambled. I can tolerate the other bits that go over board as long I am believing the word and get correct non compromising bible teaching. That may mean dressing appropriately and not dis honoring your body because its a holy temple. Is to help you find a bible believing church, an Independent Fundamental Baptist Church, that seeks to serve and honor the Lord Jesus Christ. 16. It took exposure to more mature Christians (who were not not IFB!) I read Matthew 23 just before writing. WebIndependent Fundamental Baptist Preaching and Bible Study from the Word of God the King James Bible at Vision Valley Baptist Church in MT. 6. I can be more specific and categorize your list of 55 things to give some examples as you asked OGrodnik to do, but it wouldnt be to diminish what you and others have experienced. They are counting on your service and tithe. If you believe that you can tell who the good Christians are and who the bad Christians are by looking at the fruit in their lives, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 51. (Romans 13:1-7; Ephesians 5:21-6:4; Hebrews 13:17; I Peter 2:13-15). You can be saved and live however, but there will be consequences the saddest consequence of this behavior is your relationship with God will be Hindered greatly or little. Three words vacation bible school *shiver*. Pastors daughter did my hair and cleaned my dress with baby wipes. To the author, I hope youll be okay someday and if you can find a way to dig out that root I think youll find peace. 20. God forgave me because Jesus Christ saved me. Yes but this is my concern about the IFB beliefs and I understand this was written to make it funny. Not all churches are the same and if they are teaching Bible, they do teach about sin, and it should not be to make you feel any constraint towards the pastor to get away from that sin, but to learn to have some personal conviction that their sins need to be addressed, but THEY have to make that decision. Me and my boyfriend were going to break up unless there was hope for change. 19. You can clap in church, we did that Mountain, the church I grew up though we didnt do it very often though. N/A People are people and free to choose their own way. I respond to IFB jabs, sometimes that requires a jab back. The Baptist Distinctives are easy to remember using the acronym B.A.P.T.I.S.T.S. The membership The truth is, if you had sex with ANY woman before you finally decided to marry one of them, you are a divorced man. If you refuse to use any other Bible version than the KJV because you think its either too worldly, sinful or less accurate,you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 4. We believe that the ecumenical movement is a demonic attempt to unite all Christian denominations around experience to the disregard of biblical doctrine. He that loveth his wife loveth himself. And if a lost person were to stumble upon this page and read your list and how you respond to any differing opinions, would you be helping plant a seed? This is assuming that the parable of the prodigal son is some kind of instruction on how to deal with a troubled child Anderson and other New IFB pastors have praised the Orlando gay nightclub shooting. We believe in the reality of the person of Satan and that he and the fallen angels wage a spiritual warfare against the plan and purposes of God (John 13:2; Acts 5:3; Ephesians 6:11-12). This is very good. (Acts 2:42), It is a betrayal of the unity of believers based upon sound doctrine of the historic Christian Faith. The Bible gives qualifications for each office. What is the Baptist Church, and what do Baptists believe? If you party, DO NOT drink. My church members are filled with sin and give account to God alone. https://baptistdeception.com/tithing/. We believe that a Fundamentalist is defined by their adherence to orthodox theology, orthodox methodology, and will only fellowship with those who do the same. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things. On the Arminianist view the church I go to now teaches from a biblical standpoint that salvation can still be lost. THE LAST THINGS I am also against body piercings as well. Amen! 18 And you say that to swear by the altar is not binding, but to swear by the gifts on the altar is binding. This is the only church Ive been to, so I just awsume all Churchs are loving, caring, forgiving, honest, and strive to bring glory to god and its just sad to here that thats not the case. So the IFB pastor did counseling for 2 weeks and then, despite physical abuse, told you to get married! When this life is over, it doesnt matter! you DVR the Superbowl (or watch sport center on your phone in the vestibule) because you cant miss church. That is the only sin that cannot be forgiven. The Bible is inspired and preserved by God and carries His absolute authority. Pastor and his wife paid for reception, photographers, and and shower. I already know where the IFB is coming from, I was indoctrinated in their dogma for 25 years. Would you go back and pet a dog after it bit you? (John 3:36; Romans 14:4-12;2 Corinthians 4:2; Titus 1:9), Local church membership is restricted to individuals who give a believable testimony of personal faith in Christ and have publicly identified with Him in believer's baptism. We believe that Jesus Christ died for every man, and that each individual chooses to accept or reject the grace of God (Hebrews 2:9; I John 2:2). Ive never been instructed their acting Rebellious or looked down on or had any concern for myself but they were rebellious. 3 And why worry about a speck in your friends eye when you have a log in your own? We fellowship with sister churches of like precious faith and practice, and support missionaries sent forth by the authority of such churches. 1 John 1:9 Mind your own business. Romans 5:8 If this life of inner peace is what I can have without feeling the need to write long lists then Ill take it. I know the answers now. The Baptist distinctives are listed below: The Bible is our sole authority for faith and practice. The Duggar family, so much in the news lately, are Independent Fundamental Baptists (IFB), a loosely affiliated, singularly cultish denomination of Very few men are qualified to be pastors using your interpretation of scripture. anything that even remotely appears to be worldly means that you arent being separate, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 44. 10. Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. Thanks. Just because we forgive people doesnt mean we are obligated to marry them or anything else. I must put it in Jesus Christ. 2Co 2:10 To whom ye forgive any thing, I forgive also: for if I forgave any thing, to whom I forgave it, for your sakes forgave I it in the person of Christ; You said we dont forgive people for their salvation we cant because we arent Jesus. If your church sings Just As I Am at the end of every service We sing that song once in a while since its a good invitational song. 9. I did learn a lot. I hope that you left your church in good terms and that they knew how you felt and whoever was wrong to be revived and allow the precense of God to bring the individual to the norm in other words what christian ought to be not what men want to be. If I couldnt tolerate anyone saying something different I would instruct the site moderator to delete comments such as yours. Come and join. 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. If we must consider these points as a point for consideration, these ought to be a source form the Bible. OK That list just brought back memories that I can thankfully laugh at now. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. 3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brothers eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Also no one can hide hypocrisy and iniquity. Any ways God is good and can use any church to reach anyone it all depends on if you as an individual will receive his free gift of salvation, because God is that powerful. 38. I do into great detail about why I believe the IFB is cultish in practice. We even have TWO. Yes. I get the vibe that you were alienate by IFB movement at some point, as were a lot of us, but dont try to use that as an excuse to go on a crusade against fellow believers. I found myself laughing at quite a few of these because they are things that I used to believe. I dont know what Daves intentions were. We had been boyfriend and girlfriend for 5 years and a baby that was 10 months old. Only God decides who goes to heaven and who doesnt. We did 2 weeks of counseling and got married at the end of our last session. The home, the church, and the state are equal and sovereign in their respective Biblically assigned spheres of responsibility under God. Christ suffered and The pew hymnal is inspired by God While I favor hymns but I wouldnt necessarily say that because even though I do use the hymnal, most people at the church I go to now sing from the Power Point. We had no money. In fact, if you're single you know what I'm talking about. sad stuff particularly the responses from obviously brainwashed bible folks. How will you escape the judgment of hell? Ephesians 2:8-9 If you think that tattoos are marks of the Devil, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 20. operating or proceeding inconspicuously but with grave effect. This is an independent fundamental Baptist program that has chapters in churches all across the country. Its the inspired word of God. If they are saved , I dare say they regret the day they walked into the very church you enjoy making fun of. If you should cut your vacation short you should never miss church this has happened only once in my life when I went I was on my senior class trip. Luke 8:17, Daniel 2:22, Luke 12:2. These are right on the money! His mom, Dorothy Chrisman, was a teacher at the academy run by Fairhaven. We believe that all the redeemed, once saved are kept by God's power and are thus secure in Christ forever. I dont believe they bought our loyalty, because we werent of any good investment.
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